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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 93 22:00:15 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1373 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sun, 21 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1373 Today's Topics: How useful are DSP units in noisy locations? License Datapoints New "pizza" policy? ORBS$323.MICRO.AMSAT (2 msgs) ORBS$323.OSCAR.AMSAT ORBS$323.WEATH.AMSAT (2 msgs) Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:42:55 GMT From: worldbank.org!news@uunet.uu.net Subject: How useful are DSP units in noisy locations? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Dave, The reason that we bought a DSP unit for the club station was to address the issue of an electrically noisy environment. (The club shack is located on the top floor of a tall office building in the center of Washington D.C., about a block from the White House - so it's very noise; RF and QRN.) In some cases, we've found that the DSP unit (NIR-10) can reduce some of the noise, however it does not make a significant difference. If there is a weak station in the noise, we can sometimes make enhance it by "playing" with the controls; however, sometimes the noise can fool the unit, and the result can be a less-intelligble signal! It works okay on strong signals - but then they're usually not a problem. Unfortunately, a lot of the radio communication that we deal with are pile-ups (because of our call: 4U1WB), and for this, the unit is virtually useless. Having said this... Most of the posts on this newsgroup that refer to the NIR-10 don't give it a good write up. I haven't any experience with other units, but the Timestep seems to be favoured among other members of the newsgroup. Good Luck, Darrell (NR3Y) ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1993 15:37:59 GMT From: noc.near.net!jericho.mc.com!fugu!levine@uunet.uu.net Subject: License Datapoints To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article nvt@kelly.teleport.com, genew@teleport.com (Gene Wolford) writes: --> -->Must be W5YI VEC? -->Can't be the Association for Retarding Radio Licensing. 8-) --> -->73's -->Gene -->KB7WIP Why such an tasteless stab at the ARRL? As a new ham, maybe you haven't had to use such serives as the QSL Bureau, the DXCC Desk, the Amateur Auxilliary, Field Day, etc.... that the ARRL provides. Lighten up. You may disagree with the league's position on a few issues, but no one can say that they dont provide many many valuable services to the Ham community. What is meant by "retarded radio licensing" anyway? ------------------------------------------------------------ || // ||\\ //|| //\\ //\\ || // || \\ // || // // ||// || \\ || // // ||\\ || || || \\ === \\ === || \\ || // || \\ // \\ // || \\ || // || \\// \\// ---------------------------------------------------------FTAC Bob Levine KD1GG 7J1AIS VK2GYN formerly KA1JFP levine@mc.com <--Internet email Phone(508) 256-1300 x247 kd1gg@wa1phy.ma <--Packet Mail FAX(508) 256-3599 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 1993 05:43:28 -0500 From: news2.uunet.ca!ukma!n-f-m@uunet.uu.net Subject: New "pizza" policy? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Is this a joke? If not, can someone explain the change? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 93 13:40:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$323.MICRO.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-323.D Orbital Elements 323.MICROS HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR THE MICROSATS FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993 BID: $ORBS-323.D TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: UO-14 Catalog number: 20437 Epoch time: 93320.70053268 Element set: 912 Inclination: 98.6062 deg RA of node: 43.2321 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011712 Arg of perigee: 93.9046 deg Mean anomaly: 266.3482 deg Mean motion: 14.29803677 rev/day Decay rate: 7.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19922 Checksum: 290 Satellite: AO-16 Catalog number: 20439 Epoch time: 93320.27451247 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6124 deg RA of node: 43.8287 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012274 Arg of perigee: 95.5349 deg Mean anomaly: 264.7257 deg Mean motion: 14.29860785 rev/day Decay rate: 6.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19917 Checksum: 328 Satellite: DO-17 Catalog number: 20440 Epoch time: 93320.66928486 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6144 deg RA of node: 44.4763 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012250 Arg of perigee: 94.2945 deg Mean anomaly: 265.9628 deg Mean motion: 14.29997894 rev/day Decay rate: 6.0e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19924 Checksum: 339 Satellite: WO-18 Catalog number: 20441 Epoch time: 93320.22118847 Element set: 713 Inclination: 98.6142 deg RA of node: 44.0490 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012764 Arg of perigee: 95.8251 deg Mean anomaly: 264.4402 deg Mean motion: 14.29975696 rev/day Decay rate: 5.7e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19918 Checksum: 313 Satellite: LO-19 Catalog number: 20442 Epoch time: 93320.70317511 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6151 deg RA of node: 44.7345 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013139 Arg of perigee: 93.7468 deg Mean anomaly: 266.5215 deg Mean motion: 14.30068015 rev/day Decay rate: 6.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19926 Checksum: 285 Satellite: UO-22 Catalog number: 21575 Epoch time: 93320.68042724 Element set: 412 Inclination: 98.4578 deg RA of node: 34.2356 deg Eccentricity: 0.0006986 Arg of perigee: 200.1876 deg Mean anomaly: 159.9027 deg Mean motion: 14.36865218 rev/day Decay rate: 1.05e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12256 Checksum: 307 Satellite: KO-23 Catalog number: 22077 Epoch time: 93320.59051504 Element set: 309 Inclination: 66.0900 deg RA of node: 5.1031 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005093 Arg of perigee: 341.0856 deg Mean anomaly: 18.9960 deg Mean motion: 12.86281800 rev/day Decay rate: .00000000 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 5944 Checksum: 250 Satellite: AO-27 Catalog number: 22825 Epoch time: 93320.66241511 Element set: 211 Inclination: 98.6771 deg RA of node: 33.3777 deg Eccentricity: 0.0009303 Arg of perigee: 106.2143 deg Mean anomaly: 254.0076 deg Mean motion: 14.27590086 rev/day Decay rate: 7.0e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 736 Checksum: 275 Satellite: IO-26 Catalog number: 22826 Epoch time: 93320.65872634 Element set: 212 Inclination: 98.6768 deg RA of node: 33.3808 deg Eccentricity: 0.0009869 Arg of perigee: 107.8468 deg Mean anomaly: 252.3794 deg Mean motion: 14.27692506 rev/day Decay rate: 7.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 736 Checksum: 337 Satellite: KO-25 Catalog number: 22830 Epoch time: 93319.73628661 Element set: 212 Inclination: 98.5788 deg RA of node: 31.9792 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012486 Arg of perigee: 82.0123 deg Mean anomaly: 278.2466 deg Mean motion: 14.28016160 rev/day Decay rate: 6.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 723 Checksum: 301 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 93 20:04:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$323.MICRO.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-323.D Orbital Elements 323.MICROS HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR THE MICROSATS FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993 BID: $ORBS-323.D TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: UO-14 Catalog number: 20437 Epoch time: 93320.70053268 Element set: 912 Inclination: 98.6062 deg RA of node: 43.2321 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011712 Arg of perigee: 93.9046 deg Mean anomaly: 266.3482 deg Mean motion: 14.29803677 rev/day Decay rate: 7.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19922 Checksum: 290 Satellite: AO-16 Catalog number: 20439 Epoch time: 93320.27451247 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6124 deg RA of node: 43.8287 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012274 Arg of perigee: 95.5349 deg Mean anomaly: 264.7257 deg Mean motion: 14.29860785 rev/day Decay rate: 6.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19917 Checksum: 328 Satellite: DO-17 Catalog number: 20440 Epoch time: 93320.66928486 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6144 deg RA of node: 44.4763 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012250 Arg of perigee: 94.2945 deg Mean anomaly: 265.9628 deg Mean motion: 14.29997894 rev/day Decay rate: 6.0e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19924 Checksum: 339 Satellite: WO-18 Catalog number: 20441 Epoch time: 93320.22118847 Element set: 713 Inclination: 98.6142 deg RA of node: 44.0490 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012764 Arg of perigee: 95.8251 deg Mean anomaly: 264.4402 deg Mean motion: 14.29975696 rev/day Decay rate: 5.7e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19918 Checksum: 313 Satellite: LO-19 Catalog number: 20442 Epoch time: 93320.70317511 Element set: 712 Inclination: 98.6151 deg RA of node: 44.7345 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013139 Arg of perigee: 93.7468 deg Mean anomaly: 266.5215 deg Mean motion: 14.30068015 rev/day Decay rate: 6.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19926 Checksum: 285 Satellite: UO-22 Catalog number: 21575 Epoch time: 93320.68042724 Element set: 412 Inclination: 98.4578 deg RA of node: 34.2356 deg Eccentricity: 0.0006986 Arg of perigee: 200.1876 deg Mean anomaly: 159.9027 deg Mean motion: 14.36865218 rev/day Decay rate: 1.05e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12256 Checksum: 307 Satellite: KO-23 Catalog number: 22077 Epoch time: 93320.59051504 Element set: 309 Inclination: 66.0900 deg RA of node: 5.1031 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005093 Arg of perigee: 341.0856 deg Mean anomaly: 18.9960 deg Mean motion: 12.86281800 rev/day Decay rate: .00000000 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 5944 Checksum: 250 Satellite: AO-27 Catalog number: 22825 Epoch time: 93320.66241511 Element set: 211 Inclination: 98.6771 deg RA of node: 33.3777 deg Eccentricity: 0.0009303 Arg of perigee: 106.2143 deg Mean anomaly: 254.0076 deg Mean motion: 14.27590086 rev/day Decay rate: 7.0e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 736 Checksum: 275 Satellite: IO-26 Catalog number: 22826 Epoch time: 93320.65872634 Element set: 212 Inclination: 98.6768 deg RA of node: 33.3808 deg Eccentricity: 0.0009869 Arg of perigee: 107.8468 deg Mean anomaly: 252.3794 deg Mean motion: 14.27692506 rev/day Decay rate: 7.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 736 Checksum: 337 Satellite: KO-25 Catalog number: 22830 Epoch time: 93319.73628661 Element set: 212 Inclination: 98.5788 deg RA of node: 31.9792 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012486 Arg of perigee: 82.0123 deg Mean anomaly: 278.2466 deg Mean motion: 14.28016160 rev/day Decay rate: 6.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 723 Checksum: 301 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 93 20:01:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$323.OSCAR.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-323.O Orbital Elements 323.OSCAR HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR OSCAR SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993 BID: $ORBS-323.O TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: AO-10 Catalog number: 14129 Epoch time: 93321.57691393 Element set: 211 Inclination: 27.1956 deg RA of node: 355.7539 deg Eccentricity: 0.6019652 Arg of perigee: 131.0023 deg Mean anomaly: 299.1524 deg Mean motion: 2.05880635 rev/day Decay rate: -1.12e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 7841 Checksum: 293 Satellite: UO-11 Catalog number: 14781 Epoch time: 93320.59791365 Element set: 612 Inclination: 97.7971 deg RA of node: 340.1743 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010901 Arg of perigee: 227.3657 deg Mean anomaly: 132.6634 deg Mean motion: 14.69084435 rev/day Decay rate: 2.24e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 51909 Checksum: 310 Satellite: RS-10/11 Catalog number: 18129 Epoch time: 93320.53837545 Element set: 812 Inclination: 82.9209 deg RA of node: 126.0240 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010352 Arg of perigee: 256.4589 deg Mean anomaly: 103.5413 deg Mean motion: 13.72326438 rev/day Decay rate: 6.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 32074 Checksum: 277 Satellite: AO-13 Catalog number: 19216 Epoch time: 93315.34314830 Element set: 813 Inclination: 57.8997 deg RA of node: 284.7483 deg Eccentricity: 0.7226538 Arg of perigee: 327.9276 deg Mean anomaly: 3.4613 deg Mean motion: 2.09719999 rev/day Decay rate: -5.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 4143 Checksum: 336 Satellite: FO-20 Catalog number: 20480 Epoch time: 93310.07362541 Element set: 607 Inclination: 99.0217 deg RA of node: 139.2984 deg Eccentricity: 0.0541030 Arg of perigee: 125.0547 deg Mean anomaly: 240.2545 deg Mean motion: 12.83221816 rev/day Decay rate: -5.0e-08 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 17551 Checksum: 267 Satellite: AO-21 Catalog number: 21087 Epoch time: 93320.47796564 Element set: 368 Inclination: 82.9418 deg RA of node: 300.1208 deg Eccentricity: 0.0034449 Arg of perigee: 319.1873 deg Mean anomaly: 40.6687 deg Mean motion: 13.74528168 rev/day Decay rate: 8.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 14036 Checksum: 318 Satellite: RS-12/13 Catalog number: 21089 Epoch time: 93317.61990766 Element set: 612 Inclination: 82.9233 deg RA of node: 171.3110 deg Eccentricity: 0.0029494 Arg of perigee: 351.2997 deg Mean anomaly: 8.7626 deg Mean motion: 13.74029180 rev/day Decay rate: 4.0e-08 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 13904 Checksum: 305 Satellite: ARSENE Catalog number: 22654 Epoch time: 93319.82294071 Element set: 209 Inclination: 1.4256 deg RA of node: 113.1022 deg Eccentricity: 0.2930832 Arg of perigee: 161.7997 deg Mean anomaly: 211.8626 deg Mean motion: 1.42202608 rev/day Decay rate: -5.2e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 272 Checksum: 263 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 93 13:44:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$323.WEATH.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-323.W Orbital Elements 323.WEATHER HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR WEATHER SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993 BID: $ORBS-323.W TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: NOAA-9 Catalog number: 15427 Epoch time: 93321.67817478 Element set: 612 Inclination: 99.0821 deg RA of node: 4.3682 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015882 Arg of perigee: 95.7490 deg Mean anomaly: 264.5523 deg Mean motion: 14.13562457 rev/day Decay rate: 1.05e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 46046 Checksum: 314 Satellite: NOAA-10 Catalog number: 16969 Epoch time: 93315.75032400 Element set: 509 Inclination: 98.5140 deg RA of node: 326.3695 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012248 Arg of perigee: 244.0314 deg Mean anomaly: 115.9574 deg Mean motion: 14.24842726 rev/day Decay rate: 8.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 37164 Checksum: 297 Satellite: MET-2/17 Catalog number: 18820 Epoch time: 93319.86072672 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5421 deg RA of node: 78.2816 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017893 Arg of perigee: 61.8037 deg Mean anomaly: 298.4910 deg Mean motion: 13.84697554 rev/day Decay rate: 6.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 29283 Checksum: 334 Satellite: MET-3/2 Catalog number: 19336 Epoch time: 93319.83299665 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5384 deg RA of node: 114.6617 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017926 Arg of perigee: 77.8342 deg Mean anomaly: 282.4811 deg Mean motion: 13.16962335 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 25517 Checksum: 319 Satellite: NOAA-11 Catalog number: 19531 Epoch time: 93315.67695101 Element set: 409 Inclination: 99.1508 deg RA of node: 294.5292 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012515 Arg of perigee: 27.3413 deg Mean anomaly: 332.8509 deg Mean motion: 14.12931327 rev/day Decay rate: 1.65e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 26450 Checksum: 291 Satellite: MET-2/18 Catalog number: 19851 Epoch time: 93320.51300057 Element set: 212 Inclination: 82.5191 deg RA of node: 313.4772 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015680 Arg of perigee: 100.7230 deg Mean anomaly: 259.5690 deg Mean motion: 13.84349177 rev/day Decay rate: 4.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 23826 Checksum: 288 Satellite: MET-3/3 Catalog number: 20305 Epoch time: 93320.32104910 Element set: 913 Inclination: 82.5525 deg RA of node: 57.5423 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017403 Arg of perigee: 95.7518 deg Mean anomaly: 264.5640 deg Mean motion: 13.16021908 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19511 Checksum: 262 Satellite: MET-2/19 Catalog number: 20670 Epoch time: 93320.64092393 Element set: 712 Inclination: 82.5491 deg RA of node: 17.2997 deg Eccentricity: 0.0016711 Arg of perigee: 28.5586 deg Mean anomaly: 331.6512 deg Mean motion: 13.84181803 rev/day Decay rate: 1.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 17121 Checksum: 291 Satellite: FY-1/2 Catalog number: 20788 Epoch time: 93314.27490495 Element set: 816 Inclination: 98.8528 deg RA of node: 336.2622 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014224 Arg of perigee: 264.8255 deg Mean anomaly: 95.1288 deg Mean motion: 14.01329924 rev/day Decay rate: 3.52e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 16304 Checksum: 314 Satellite: MET-2/20 Catalog number: 20826 Epoch time: 93320.47980517 Element set: 711 Inclination: 82.5249 deg RA of node: 315.2181 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011921 Arg of perigee: 288.0238 deg Mean anomaly: 71.9627 deg Mean motion: 13.83563968 rev/day Decay rate: 5.2e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 15834 Checksum: 308 Satellite: MET-3/4 Catalog number: 21232 Epoch time: 93320.51833216 Element set: 615 Inclination: 82.5409 deg RA of node: 319.9466 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013471 Arg of perigee: 2.5209 deg Mean anomaly: 357.5653 deg Mean motion: 13.16456371 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12337 Checksum: 280 Satellite: NOAA-12 Catalog number: 21263 Epoch time: 93315.68793624 Element set: 816 Inclination: 98.6427 deg RA of node: 343.0215 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013434 Arg of perigee: 143.1680 deg Mean anomaly: 217.0407 deg Mean motion: 14.22331177 rev/day Decay rate: 1.76e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12961 Checksum: 285 Satellite: MET-3/5 Catalog number: 21655 Epoch time: 93320.38880675 Element set: 612 Inclination: 82.5551 deg RA of node: 267.0163 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014334 Arg of perigee: 12.2322 deg Mean anomaly: 347.9178 deg Mean motion: 13.16825934 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 10845 Checksum: 293 Satellite: MET-2/21 Catalog number: 22782 Epoch time: 93320.66678128 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5521 deg RA of node: 14.8526 deg Eccentricity: 0.0023798 Arg of perigee: 100.3379 deg Mean anomaly: 260.0455 deg Mean motion: 13.82991168 rev/day Decay rate: 3.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1071 Checksum: 288 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 93 20:08:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$323.WEATH.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-323.W Orbital Elements 323.WEATHER HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR WEATHER SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993 BID: $ORBS-323.W TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: NOAA-9 Catalog number: 15427 Epoch time: 93321.67817478 Element set: 612 Inclination: 99.0821 deg RA of node: 4.3682 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015882 Arg of perigee: 95.7490 deg Mean anomaly: 264.5523 deg Mean motion: 14.13562457 rev/day Decay rate: 1.05e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 46046 Checksum: 314 Satellite: NOAA-10 Catalog number: 16969 Epoch time: 93315.75032400 Element set: 509 Inclination: 98.5140 deg RA of node: 326.3695 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012248 Arg of perigee: 244.0314 deg Mean anomaly: 115.9574 deg Mean motion: 14.24842726 rev/day Decay rate: 8.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 37164 Checksum: 297 Satellite: MET-2/17 Catalog number: 18820 Epoch time: 93319.86072672 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5421 deg RA of node: 78.2816 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017893 Arg of perigee: 61.8037 deg Mean anomaly: 298.4910 deg Mean motion: 13.84697554 rev/day Decay rate: 6.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 29283 Checksum: 334 Satellite: MET-3/2 Catalog number: 19336 Epoch time: 93319.83299665 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5384 deg RA of node: 114.6617 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017926 Arg of perigee: 77.8342 deg Mean anomaly: 282.4811 deg Mean motion: 13.16962335 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 25517 Checksum: 319 Satellite: NOAA-11 Catalog number: 19531 Epoch time: 93315.67695101 Element set: 409 Inclination: 99.1508 deg RA of node: 294.5292 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012515 Arg of perigee: 27.3413 deg Mean anomaly: 332.8509 deg Mean motion: 14.12931327 rev/day Decay rate: 1.65e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 26450 Checksum: 291 Satellite: MET-2/18 Catalog number: 19851 Epoch time: 93320.51300057 Element set: 212 Inclination: 82.5191 deg RA of node: 313.4772 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015680 Arg of perigee: 100.7230 deg Mean anomaly: 259.5690 deg Mean motion: 13.84349177 rev/day Decay rate: 4.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 23826 Checksum: 288 Satellite: MET-3/3 Catalog number: 20305 Epoch time: 93320.32104910 Element set: 913 Inclination: 82.5525 deg RA of node: 57.5423 deg Eccentricity: 0.0017403 Arg of perigee: 95.7518 deg Mean anomaly: 264.5640 deg Mean motion: 13.16021908 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 19511 Checksum: 262 Satellite: MET-2/19 Catalog number: 20670 Epoch time: 93320.64092393 Element set: 712 Inclination: 82.5491 deg RA of node: 17.2997 deg Eccentricity: 0.0016711 Arg of perigee: 28.5586 deg Mean anomaly: 331.6512 deg Mean motion: 13.84181803 rev/day Decay rate: 1.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 17121 Checksum: 291 Satellite: FY-1/2 Catalog number: 20788 Epoch time: 93314.27490495 Element set: 816 Inclination: 98.8528 deg RA of node: 336.2622 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014224 Arg of perigee: 264.8255 deg Mean anomaly: 95.1288 deg Mean motion: 14.01329924 rev/day Decay rate: 3.52e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 16304 Checksum: 314 Satellite: MET-2/20 Catalog number: 20826 Epoch time: 93320.47980517 Element set: 711 Inclination: 82.5249 deg RA of node: 315.2181 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011921 Arg of perigee: 288.0238 deg Mean anomaly: 71.9627 deg Mean motion: 13.83563968 rev/day Decay rate: 5.2e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 15834 Checksum: 308 Satellite: MET-3/4 Catalog number: 21232 Epoch time: 93320.51833216 Element set: 615 Inclination: 82.5409 deg RA of node: 319.9466 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013471 Arg of perigee: 2.5209 deg Mean anomaly: 357.5653 deg Mean motion: 13.16456371 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12337 Checksum: 280 Satellite: NOAA-12 Catalog number: 21263 Epoch time: 93315.68793624 Element set: 816 Inclination: 98.6427 deg RA of node: 343.0215 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013434 Arg of perigee: 143.1680 deg Mean anomaly: 217.0407 deg Mean motion: 14.22331177 rev/day Decay rate: 1.76e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12961 Checksum: 285 Satellite: MET-3/5 Catalog number: 21655 Epoch time: 93320.38880675 Element set: 612 Inclination: 82.5551 deg RA of node: 267.0163 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014334 Arg of perigee: 12.2322 deg Mean anomaly: 347.9178 deg Mean motion: 13.16825934 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 10845 Checksum: 293 Satellite: MET-2/21 Catalog number: 22782 Epoch time: 93320.66678128 Element set: 211 Inclination: 82.5521 deg RA of node: 14.8526 deg Eccentricity: 0.0023798 Arg of perigee: 100.3379 deg Mean anomaly: 260.0455 deg Mean motion: 13.82991168 rev/day Decay rate: 3.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1071 Checksum: 288 /EX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:55:08 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <1993Nov16.043632.12907@icaen.uiowa.edu>, <1993Nov17.034311.24091@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <CGMqAI.2J0@news.Hawaii.Edu> Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands? In article <CGMqAI.2J0@news.Hawaii.Edu> jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) writes: >In article <1993Nov17.034311.24091@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes: >>purely mechanical talents such as Morse. >> >I tried to ignore this (really!) but I can't let this statement pass by >unchallenged. If decoding Morse is purely mechanical then so is under- >standing a spoken language. When I listen to Morse I hear entire words >in the same way as when I listen to someone speak. Certainly one doesn't >develope this ability without many, many months (or years) of practice. > >Many people, when they begin to learn a foreign language, might consider >that they are undergoing a mechanical process; my first week in the >Vietnamese language class I would hear: mo^.t hai ba bo^'n and have to >mechanically translate mentally to English: one two three four. But >after just a few weeks that mechanical process melted away to not >having to do the translation into English. I heard and understood >the Vietnamese. > >Gary, you have undoubtedly not passed to that point where you are >able to understand Morse as a language. Thus, all your posts show >a dislike for it but you try to hide this dislike behind a facade >that code is outdated and irrelevant. But the rest of us who are >fluent know better! Ah, the old Morse is a language chestnut appears again. If Morse is a language, then so are ASCII and Baudot. All three are encodings of alphanumeric characters. In fact I can read ASCII or Baudot off of paper tape just as if they were regular alphabetic characters. That doesn't make either a language, any more than printed letters on a page are language. It's what they *spell* that can be language. They can also spell nonsense groups which isn't language either. Only when a structured grammar of nouns, verbs, and modifiers is assembled do we have something called language. Now as to the mechcanical nature of decoding Morse encodings, in a skilled operator the process is a pure conditioned reflex brought on by extensive operant conditioning of pattern recognizing neural nets in the brain. This is a purely mechanistic process, no intelligence is required to intervene in the decoding process. To understand the English, or other, natural *language* spelled by the Morse encodings does require more general purpose pattern recognition and association processes in the brain that aren't reflexive. Instead they require conscious intervention to bring comprehension to the process. This is similar to touch typing. The process of translating words to finger motions is a pure mechanistic result of operant conditioning. I just think what I want to say and the mechanism puts it on the screen without conscious intervention. It's a pure mechanism, just like manual Morse. A similar process occurs with spoken natural language. Humans come wired from the factory with the ability to detect and decode certain sound patterns called phonomes. A very young child's babbling is almost pure phonome generation with no coordination into natural language constructs. It's a mechanistic process without intelligent guidance. The intelligence comes into play in stringing together the phonomes, similar in concept to Morse characters, into coherent natural language constructs. People are sometimes confused about the language status of Morse because they decode it's elements in much the same way as the phonetic elements of spoken language are decoded. But that's a fundamental confusion of mechanisms with content. Language isn't mechanism, it's the structured content represented by the mechanistic elements. If we were still decoding Morse by sight, as Samuel Morse intended it to be decoded, this confusion wouldn't be so prevalent. Few people confuse the marks we make on paper, and electronic screens, called alphabet, with language. That's because we had to consciously acquire the conversion mechanisms through the visual mechanism rather than develop them unconsciously from birth via the aural mechanism. The visual pattern recognition mechanisms are about 10,000 times more complex and capable than the aural mechanisms, which is why new patterns are easier to learn in a visual medium than in the aural domain. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | If you wanna run cool, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | you gotta run on heavy,| uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | heavy fuel. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -Mark Knoffler | ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1373 ****************************** ******************************